21:59 mira: oi mat hows things.
me: heyhey I’m good you?
22:00 mira: i’m fine but very poor, did you go to hannah’s xmas thing on friday?
was at another friends
mira: i was meant to go and talk to her about the exhibiton but paddington is too far.
22:01 me: is that where it was
are you doing another show
mira: at her flat.
me: oh ok
mira: I’m supposed to be doing one in january, but I’m not too motivated for it.
me: how come
22:02 mira: i’ve done a few sketches and have got some fucking cool photos of me with dead animals, (!) but I’m just not in the mood.
maybe next year you’ll be feeling it
and bang something ace out
mira: I’ve been doing lots of “clandestine” art recently, usual stuff, but its more satifying.
how you been?
me: yeh cool
trying to get my head around making more stuff
I have been thinking a lot and now I need to mark art that has all the ideas in it
22:04 mira: What sort of stuff you making?
what sort of ideas?
me: drawings, smaller photos, zines, maybe paintings next year
22:05 mira: my friend Henry made a fanzine a week ago, of photos of all his friends (me naked), he dumped a load of copies in Rough Trade.
22:06 me: which henry
with the gallery henrty
mira: Henry who brother slept in Squallyoaks and pissed everyone off.
me: oh i dunno
you on facebook
mira: i think he broke in.
I’ve got a face book page but I never use it, i’m strictly myspace.
me: old skool
myspace is dead man
22:08 mira: yeah if there was civil war the youth we form tribes based on bebo facebook and mysapce.
facebook is gay.
do you know mixi? its the jap version of facebook.
can i be on that?
or do you have to read jap language
22:09 mira: you can be on it, but everything is japanese.
ask emi or someother jap to make you a page.
me: haha ok
you know chycca?
she is mental
mira: chycca? who/what?
22:10 me: japenese girl
mira: I can barely handle my wife, friday night she twisted her ankle working, and she made me take her to the hospital last night!
4 hours waiting, she is stubborn! she wont listen to me!
me: oh dear
mira: at the moment, I stay away from all japanese people, they are a secret police who report back to my wife.
22:11 me: ok
mira: they enforce my sentance of “no sex” haha!
did you see my dead fox photos?
me: no where?
i wanna see
22:13 mira: I found a dead fox a few months ago, my friend dan got some photos of me with it, also a few days later in country I found a monkjack deer that had got hit by a car.
mira: I will show you the photos soon, they are pritty punk, they shock me even.
me: are the pics online?
22:14 mira: not online, they are like 30 megabites each, i will make a small copy to show u later.
So who is the crazy jap girl?
22:15 me: oh chycca is bonkers
but she’s in japan
i just clicked the her and mai would get on
but mai is here i guess
mira: yeah, maybe they know each other.
what sort of ideas are you think of?
22:16 me: art wise?
22:17 me: i have invented a term
mira: go on?
me: it relates
to a paradox
but has more than two simultaneously opposing elements
maybe infinite opposing elements
22:18 its about being to be in a multitude of places all at once
me: so seeing ideas from more than one perspective
22:19 mira: ok.
22:20 me: whats roman ring?
22:21 mira: its sort of quantum idea of connecting 4 universes together, I can’t remeber why time travel. but i’m sort of interesting in those concepts especial eternal return and astral projection.
22:22 me: definitely
i have an mp3 that encourages astral shit somewhere
22:23 mira: its strange even though I’m a depressed nihilist, the last 2 years i’m really obsessed with my childhood, and artifacts that represent it, sort of sentimental.
me: nihilism is totally dated
22:24 and flawed as a concept
it doesnt allow for any visions of the future
and thats what artists do
create visions of the future
22:25 mira: totally, but its not like I want to run around shooting people, its more like I break down all infomation or objects into their compoants, so I don’t/try not to get stressed by people or the universe.
me: thats meditation
or at least a form of
mira: but also the childhood I yearn for i think is me searching for my origins i.e before I existed.
22:26 me: interesting
mira: guess so. I’m dreaming or thinking of all things constantly.
me: is it you or an archetype
in the past?
are you one person?
mira: i’m facasinated by the idea of a universe before olie, everyone else calls it history I call it hearsay. haha.
22:27 me: :)
22:28 do you feel any desire to translate the dream?
mira: exactly sometimes you could consider yourself just a reflection of other peoples views and other people the same.
22:29 me: I see it as one interconnected web
mira: sort of recently, i try to express things with akward language, i play with expressions i like using google translator, constantly translating the same expression from english to jap or english to french to get somesort of warped lanauged
me: that we arent seperate at all
have you ever read those weird texts in spam email
that they write to get past the spam detectors
22:30 hang on let me find one
22:31 cant find it…
22:32 but they are like computer generated poetry
very weird and romantic and non-sensical all at once
mira: i know what you mean, here is an example “i want to destroy”
one moment, I give you a translation.
22:33 “I think that we would like to destroy,”
mira: “I think that the fact that we destroy is desired”
22:35 me: I need requirement ( lack (; need; want ) ) that ( that (in order to); which (who) for ) (, that (in order to) they destroy )
mira: I love the way the translator sees each sentance as “x=z” but gets confused so it ends up as “x=x=z” confusion, its useless language i love it.
me: thats it translated back and forth a few times in polish
you need to put this stuff in your show
22:37 mira: thats cool, also google translator does it differently, but as japanese writes the sentance as “I SUBJECT” sometimes this translates as “As for me” which sounds more out of place or formal.
The other one was Life is Constant.
I like that phrase, I;’ve been writing it for years its like some sort of humanist spell.
22:38 me: check it out from polish (one translation and back:
Life is constant (solid) < become > ( life )
how nice is that!
22:39 you should do it in loads of languages and make text pieces for your show in January
mira: exactly, you can use it as a way of widening your mental horaizons, its helps me realise how confusing my common sense is to others.
22:40 me: does it matter to you if it confuses?
mira: The next show I want to paint on the walls non stop from about a week befoe the show.
why dont you paint on the wals for a week
as the show
22:41 mira: sometimes, but when new words appear there, its very strong and beutiful.
i want to go crazy but I think sven and hannah are holding back the reigns.
they’ll love it
mira: they dont want a big mess to clean up.
me: its your job as an artist to push them HARD
mira: I want to paint he bad brains album cover…
22:42 i dont want to paint a load of nice pictures on canvas and be faced withh the task of carrying it all home!
me: dont do it
22:43 mira: i hate it when I visit an artists hosue and its full of canvas “unsold” its the sign of failure, (if you look at them as commoditys.)
22:44 me: which you neednt
i think its a really exciting idea
have you said thats what you want to do?
mira: exactly, I’d rather not play the professional art game, to avoid dissappointment!
22:45 Hey can i post our chat on my blog with pics of your work? and will you be interviewed for my other blog http://interconnectedechoes.blogspot.com
mira: sort of, I haven’t had a propper chance to meet and explain, i’ve got zero cash to go to paddington and when I’m like this i get a bit anxious at social situations.
22:46 me: ok
read the last bit i wrote
mira: go for it haha.
checking it now.
22:47 mira: I’m reading the bit about what happens when you die.
you seee evryone adds questions
and you interview each other
22:48 mira: nicola lane.
You listen to GG ALlin?
22:49 i’m a big fan of his spoken word recently.
me: i ‘ve seen his dvd
mira: i love the interviews of him on the jerry springer show etc, on youtube.
he’s fucking powerful.
22:50 me: like michael jackson
mira: exactly, akward enegery, its how I describe punk to people, energy that doesn’t fit in with the world.
22:51 me: thats because its from the future
or other universes
mira: I was trying to describe my idea of what punk is to a bunch of GogolBordello fans a few days ago, I was trying to explain how the band is now simply entertaining yuppies.
me: and how did they react
22:52 mira: exactly you got to keep dreaming and doing whatever and everyone won’t understand, the fans hate my opinion, they don’t understand that us lot have been part of the crazy GB myth which is now a dream, in the past.
So they will never value my opinion.
22:53 me: which is why we must drag new visions into the present
i dont think you need their validation
22:55 mira: exactly, I was at the GB gig on thursday with a mad italian friend and Italian nick said “this audience looks like its never tried opium before” i mean the band has got in a pantomime of what it was and made me realise that got to be really radical 100 percent of the time to really push the boundrys, thank god GG allin is dead imagine if he had lived on to regret his ideas!
me: i didnt realise he was dead
22:56 i think i saw GB as a pantomime a long time ago… maybe i’m fickle tho
I jump ship as soon as the stink sets in
its not entirely their fault
mira: yeah he was going to commit ritual suicide, but accidentally died of a drug overdose.
22:57 me: oops
mira: yeah it was always a panto at the GB concerts, the first gig was propper performance, but now its really tired.
mira: i think the audience lacks young people and punks, thats an important thing to get the idealists!
22:58 me: we need to remain idealistic whilst we destroy all ideology maybe
or at least all concrete ideology
mira: it was weird lots of 30 somthing office worker types.
the fans didn’t like my opinions proberly cause they work in offices.
me: dangerous places ;)
23:00 mira: its hard work, i’m sure DEVO had pissed off fans when they got famous, its easy to believe in a band as a symbol of change but music/haircuts are just symbols but dont do anything.
23:01 me: changing your mind is doing something
mira: i think implimenting your ideas is important.
23:02 me: yeah thats the translation process from spirit to material
but a symbol carries the idea and lets more people implement it in everything they do
often without even realising
mira: but its how you do it, squatting/bin food/shoplifting/ free parties/scavenging are all good examples of autonomy but can also be viewed as childish by others.
23:03 me: yeah
anything can look silly tthough
and no one way is THE answer
23:04 ]but we have to keep doing different things to restablish that everything is possible
otherwise people forget that you can doing anything you want
mira: Its like Baader Meinhof, incompatible with the real world. haha
23:05 me: I think working as a banker and shopping in tescos looks pretty unevolved too tho
mira: i guess its a problem for some people, freedom is scary. no security.
me: seems pretty incompatible with the world now too
fear of the unknown
mira: true the banker would die without tescos but tesco wouldnt die without him.
23:06 me: maybe without all of them
and he wouldnt die
mira: the other day intooting bac tesco the manger flipped at me and italian nick over the bins, it was funny.
me: what did they say
23:07 mira: if people get a chance to standup for and think…
23:08 The manager just flipped, I was standing there eating cake and outout of nowhere appeared DAVID!
A big fat slug, a few years younger than us.
he was irriate it was like he had caught a shoplifter he couldn’t prosecute.
me: haha how did you know his name
mira: name tag.
23:09 i keep seeing him, then at M and Spencer outcame another manager, a posh bloke called Simon!
mira: it was a shit day!
23:11 me: sounds like it
mira: i can’t forget David, i’m going to remember him as cunt even until I die, his family might think of him as a bit fat but a nice guy who paid the bills but they don’t know his secret.
23:12 me: Hey olie
I’m gonna go but i’ll email you the link once i put all this up
see you soon I hope
23:13 mira: cheers, im off to make some toast, take care, cheers for the inspiration!
me: you too!